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Mar 6 @ 4:20pm
Steam Machine now made obsolete by Project Helix?
I think Microsoft is doing something that can turn out very well for everyone. If the new console will also be able to play Steam games. This is a game changer and would be a very big win for a lot of people.

Especially since it supposed to be launching next year. It is also said to support RDNA 5. Which will be way better and faster than Steam Machine using RDNA 3.

MSFT was already dabbling with integrating Steam to its current console. But may have moved away from this to bring it in fully with their new console. So if this does come out and supports Steam like a PC. It will easily make Steam Machine less attractive.

I mean, not sure who is going to want a Steam Machine that has hardware over 4 years old by the time it comes out with a low tier 6 core CPU. I mean, I get it if it was for a mobile device but these specs do not make sense for a desktop platform that is supposed to be releasing later this year or next. As it seems Valve has now delayed the release all together.

Just thought this news was interesting and decided to share my thoughts. Because if this new MSFT console can do at least 1440p with 120 FPS stable with RT and possible PT natively, and keep costs down well below what a PC would cost to do the same. Its going to look very appealing to many, and may even give SONY a run for their money.

I guess we'll see how this all turns out and I wouldnt be surprised if Valve cancels the Steam Machine entirely with the recent news of Project Helix.

https://www.techpowerup.com/347117/xbox-project-helix-officially-tipped-as-next-gen-console-will-play-your-xbox-and-pc-games

https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox/comments/1r2h9yw/possible_microsoft_x_steam_integration/
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Chompman
Mar 6 @ 4:27pm 
With how much microslop is embracing AI I would not look into it too much until it actually gets released and see how bad it relies on that instead of actual hardware.

They even are getting patents that allows other people or AI to take over your game while you play it to defeat bosses for you.
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Mad Scientist
Mar 6 @ 4:27pm 
Rather have an open OS steam machine or steam deck than another windows disaster or mandatory online logins. There's a reason they're called "Microslop" now. Their new "leadership" is much like win11 going to be a dumpster fire.
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animal_PLANET
Mar 6 @ 4:45pm 
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
Rather have an open OS steam machine or steam deck than another windows disaster or mandatory online logins. There's a reason they're called "Microslop" now. Their new "leadership" is much like win11 going to be a dumpster fire.

Did you just complain about mandatory logins when Steam itself is required to login and be "online" in order to access your game library. :steamfacepalm:

I could also care less about AI being in its infancy stages. I will also quickly add that I built multiple PC's with Win 11 recently and have had zero issues with them in a working or gaming environment.

If you want to continue to play games at 800p at barely 45 FPS on low settings for modern games. That is indeed your choice and by all means, be my guest.
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Mad Scientist
Mar 6 @ 4:59pm 
Originally posted by animal_PLANET:
Did you just complain about mandatory logins when Steam itself is required to login and be "online" in order to access your game library. :steamfacepalm:
I can use offline mode with steam, some have been doing so for years as well.

Originally posted by animal_PLANET:
I could also care less about AI being in its infancy stages. I will also quickly add that I built multiple PC's with Win 11 recently and have had zero issues with them in a working or gaming environment.
That you know of. Better hope you didn't have the update running for a while that caused severe degradation to ssds.

Originally posted by animal_PLANET:
If you want to continue to play games at 800p at barely 45 FPS on low settings for modern games. That is indeed your choice and by all means, be my guest.
I'd rather stick with HEDT, but if I want portable I'll do mITX. Still not going to get any Spyware infested microslop device. Gets annoying having to modify the OS and create firewall policies whereas steamos, Linux etc don't do that.
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captainwiseass
Mar 6 @ 5:08pm 
This is an excellent example of the Highlander Fallacy (i.e., "there can be only one"). Two competing products can exist. General Mills and Kellogg's both make raisin bran.
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Ben Lubar
Mar 6 @ 5:08pm 
Originally posted by animal_PLANET:
Originally posted by Mad Scientist:
Rather have an open OS steam machine or steam deck than another windows disaster or mandatory online logins. There's a reason they're called "Microslop" now. Their new "leadership" is much like win11 going to be a dumpster fire.

Did you just complain about mandatory logins when Steam itself is required to login and be "online" in order to access your game library. :steamfacepalm:

I could also care less about AI being in its infancy stages. I will also quickly add that I built multiple PC's with Win 11 recently and have had zero issues with them in a working or gaming environment.

If you want to continue to play games at 800p at barely 45 FPS on low settings for modern games. That is indeed your choice and by all means, be my guest.

I don't know what device you're playing on, but my Steam Deck (which is the older model) is perfectly capable of playing Warframe on medium to high settings (with a few turned to "ludicrous") at a solid 60 FPS.
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Dendrobates Tinctorius
Mar 6 @ 5:09pm 
i heard the playstation 8 makes both of them look like graphing calculators. how's that for thing that hasn't been released yet making things that haven't been released yet obsolete?
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DasKippa
Mar 6 @ 5:10pm 
Honestly I think either or both would be doa if they try to launch this year, unless the Helix is Hware speced to insanity and aimed at trust fund babies. They are both aimed at a price conscious market that is only getting tighter. Neither fills a NEEED only a want. The very market they are aimed at is spending less and that trend is going to continue.
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Ben Lubar
Mar 6 @ 5:10pm 
Originally posted by Dendrobates Tinctorius:
i heard the playstation 8 makes both of them look like graphing calculators. how's that for thing that hasn't been released yet making things that haven't been released yet obsolete?
Why would anyone want to use a computer when my blender can make fruit smoothies? Computers can't do that.
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McFlurry Butts
Mar 6 @ 5:11pm 
Originally posted by Chompman:
They even are getting patents that allows other people or AI to take over your game while you play it to defeat bosses for you.

Developers would flip out over this as it would make cheating super easy on games since AI almost has no security protocols.
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Ben Lubar
Mar 6 @ 5:12pm 
Originally posted by McFlurry Butts:
Originally posted by Chompman:
They even are getting patents that allows other people or AI to take over your game while you play it to defeat bosses for you.

Developers would flip out over this as it would make cheating super easy on games since AI almost has no security protocols.

I don't think the issue here has anything to do with it being AI or not, but "we'll put cheats into everyone else's game" is definitely the kind of thing that's going to get Microsoft into big trouble if they're forcing it.
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Dendrobates Tinctorius
Mar 6 @ 5:15pm 
Originally posted by Ben Lubar:
Originally posted by Dendrobates Tinctorius:
i heard the playstation 8 makes both of them look like graphing calculators. how's that for thing that hasn't been released yet making things that haven't been released yet obsolete?
Why would anyone want to use a computer when my blender can make fruit smoothies? Computers can't do that.
can your blender fry an egg and your cat's butt at the same time? if yes you may have a wiring fault and should get it replaced under warranty if possible.
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animal_PLANET
Mar 6 @ 5:42pm 
Originally posted by Ben Lubar:
Originally posted by animal_PLANET:

Did you just complain about mandatory logins when Steam itself is required to login and be "online" in order to access your game library. :steamfacepalm:

I could also care less about AI being in its infancy stages. I will also quickly add that I built multiple PC's with Win 11 recently and have had zero issues with them in a working or gaming environment.

If you want to continue to play games at 800p at barely 45 FPS on low settings for modern games. That is indeed your choice and by all means, be my guest.

I don't know what device you're playing on, but my Steam Deck (which is the older model) is perfectly capable of playing Warframe on medium to high settings (with a few turned to "ludicrous") at a solid 60 FPS.

Did you really just tout playing a 13 year old game at 800p with med settings? Lol, damn.
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skOsH♥
Mar 6 @ 5:43pm 
Only Microsoft can break your OS with updates after you literally paid them money for an operating system

Imagine buying an automobile/car and the guy says "I'll bring it right around", and then crashes and wrecks the car completely right in front of you, but still takes your money.

Why are people continuing to trust their new business practices? Using AI to write code is messy...messy...and screws stuff up. I can even make an AI tool check code and find out its wrong, still.

What happened to all the people who knew the operators and variables, strings, parameters, etc., for the code they used to write by hand?

Imagine a giant, overgrown hedge. That is a Microsoft OS. It needs to be trimmed down and maintained constantly just to not have it grow thorns and destroy crap on your computer because they hired people to "write code", and they're using AI, and undoubtedly they're getting high salaries to break stuff that most people paid for.

If I can't trust them to make an OS properly, then I can't trust them to make hardware. The original Xbox impressed me at the time it came out, that's about it. I just don't see how they would actually capture a market that is actively trying to escape their grasp
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animal_PLANET
Mar 6 @ 5:47pm 
Originally posted by DasKippa:
Honestly I think either or both would be doa if they try to launch this year, unless the Helix is Hware speced to insanity and aimed at trust fund babies. They are both aimed at a price conscious market that is only getting tighter. Neither fills a NEEED only a want. The very market they are aimed at is spending less and that trend is going to continue.

Exactly, but as with anything. Price is going to be a major factor. If MSFT can keep cost to ~$700 or lower. It would do well.

Because as you say. People are spending less due to the current market. If MSFT can deliver a console that can do what its speculated to do, and keep the price well under $1K. It will look very appealing to people who cant afford PC's with current pricing.
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